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Reply #15 - 06. Feb 2015 at 14:22

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Reply #14 - 29. Aug 2011 at 01:12

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But is it my imagination or does this sort of thing seem to happen at Crown more regularly than at say Star City or Burswood?


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Reply #13 - 26. Aug 2011 at 15:01

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ausguard wrote on 25. Aug 2011 at 00:06:
I agree Warlord. I've talked to some crowd controllers and off duty police can be a problem, even more when their drunk.



Positions of authority sure can create unique problems in individuals, I mean we as a profession are frequently accused of exactly the same "power trip" often unfairly Wink



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Reply #12 - 25. Aug 2011 at 00:06

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I agree Warlord. I've talked to some crowd controllers and off duty police can be a problem, even more when their drunk.
This is where bouncer cam might come in handy.
 
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Reply #11 - 23. Aug 2011 at 22:03

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Night clubs are no different... their major income is derived from selling over priced drinks to their patrons if you followed the RSA to the letter intoxicated patrons would cease to exist and a night out would be enjoyable for all (minus the drunken idiots) Wink
 

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Reply #10 - 08. Aug 2011 at 18:30

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I agree.
 
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Reply #9 - 08. Aug 2011 at 10:00

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Why did this happen? What about RSA?
Because these places encourage excessive alcohol consumption because it makes it easier for them to end up with the patrons money.
State Govts get plenty of $ from these places so they will not enforce the RSA like they hit the pubs here in Qld.
If a patron is under the influence in one of these places they should not be let in and if they were sober when they gained access they were served excessive amount of alcohol on the premises.
Sort out the booze and you have eliminated 90% of the dramas that occur and saved lives as well. Think about it.
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Reply #8 - 07. Aug 2011 at 19:15

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Bit of a follow on from a related topic.

Sunday Herald Sun article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/crown-casino-security-guards-charged-...
 
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Reply #7 - 05. Aug 2011 at 18:11

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One of the things that amazes me is because someone says they're a Police Officer, or sometimes 'former', the media take their word as gospel on matters such as this.

I've come across current serving members who have been absolute smart alecs as patrons or guests, but because they 'can play the game' portray an incident of their doing as something totally different later on.

Whilst I don't doubt what the footage shows, it doesn't tell you every aspect of it, such as what the guards felt? Did they feel threatened by something said? The amount of time they had to deal with the men in question? Did they feel the men were 'delaying' their leaving despite making it appear they were complying by moving about the venue?

Lots of factors and possibilties come in to play.
 
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Reply #6 - 27. Jul 2011 at 17:16

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Ballarat men sue over Crown Casino attack



A FORMER Ballarat policeman and his brother-in-law are at the centre of the latest Crown Casino security controversy.

Recently released Crown CCTV footage shows Acting Sergeant Leigh Discher and Sergeant Glenn Saw being manhandled by Crown bouncers in January last year. Both men were placed in headlocks and wrestled to the ground by a pack of security guards before Acting Sergeant Discher was ejected from the casino.

Sergeant Saw was taken to a basement interview room and detained for an hour.

The pair, who were off-duty at the time, are suing Crown for an undisclosed sum, but legal sources say it could be as much $400,000 each for pain and suffering under the Wrongs Act.
Full article @ The Ballarat Courier
 

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Reply #5 - 17. Jul 2011 at 19:53

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Former cop claims Crown Casino security guards staff threatened him



"'John' said the bouncer said the group had to leave because one man in the group was drunk.

"He looked at me square in the eyes with the steely glaze and said, 'Just f--- off mate. We don’t want another bloke having a heart attack do we?’ which for me was a clear reference to Anthony Dunning,’’ he said..."
Full article @  Herald Sun



What does it matter what the patron was in a former occupation? still such alleged comments aren't going to help Crown Casino in the short term are they?
 

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Reply #4 - 13. Jul 2011 at 12:12

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Well that would certainly minimise the risk to the Security employee's... many hands make light work, additionally there are maximum weight limits set in place by OHS so spreading the load makes good sense on OHS grounds as well...


Security seems to get a bad rap for inaction as much as it does for actions taken Undecided
 

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Reply #3 - 12. Jul 2011 at 02:25

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For someome not struggling, 6 guards seems heavy handed.


I would like to see their policies and procedures for evictions, I'm sure for the safety of their own staff and the patron they require a number of staff for removal.
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Reply #2 - 11. Jul 2011 at 15:37

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Aardvark wrote on 11. Jul 2011 at 09:08:
 For someone not struggling, 6 guards seems heavy handed.
 

Apparently Mr. Dunning was a big man mind you there's no further details on this brief physical description, as you say we'll have to wait this one out and see what other details surface,  positional asphyxiation is one of the first things we learnt about during our training in regards to apprehension & detention especially our duty of care for a detainee...

I'd also have to agree with your comment that dealing with intoxicated patrons in a no win situation, I don't understand why so many people seem to get a "bee in their bonnet" when reasonably requested to comply with Security's directives...
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Reply #1 - 11. Jul 2011 at 09:08

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From what I have read re this in the media, it appears that the Crown Casino security staff have used excessive force as Mr Dunning was not fighting back and was complying with their request to leave peacefully.    It seems that when he turned around to see what was happening to his friends that he was set upon.    For someome not struggling, 6 guards seems heavy handed.  

Crown has reassigned these guards from their usual permanent shifts and from the gaming floor.    I believe that if Crown thought their security staff had no case to answer, they would not have taken this step.

The CrownCasino appears to have a history of violent altercations between security staff and patrons.    I am not judging security in any way as a Crowd Controller myself, I sympathize with their predicament when trying to convince a intoxicated person (who can no longer reason) to leave.  Been there and done it, no win situation!

Will have to see what the outcome is in court I guess.
 
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10. Jul 2011 at 23:12

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Dying man held by Crown Casino security guards face down may have been suffocating

"Detective Senior Sergeant Ron Iddles from the homicide squad said Mr Dunning was lying face-down on the floor for about six minutes and may have asphyxiated.

"There are some issues or some concerns about the position," Sergeant Iddles said.

"You could speculate and say it is
positional asphyxia
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Detective Senior Sergeant Iddles is concerned that police were not called by the casino on the night of the incident, even though Mr Dunning was taken away by ambulance in a critical condition."


Full article @ The Australian

Additional reference and Crown Casino's Gary O'Neill Vs. Neil Mitchell 3AW radio interview clip @ Sydney Morning Herald



And last but not least a "member of the public" decided to post this up on youtube...




Seems like a reasonable application of a lawful ejection on an intoxicated & argumentative patron, why is it when some people get a little tanked they feel the world should revolve around them and their "rights" exceed or overshadow the rights of others?
« Last Edit: 10. Jul 2011 at 23:23 by Spectre »  

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